At least they didn't call it Vinyls.

welp, that seals it...f/s: all my records. it's been a good run.

#lazysaturday

cool turntable tho

Ugh

don't worry though, CDs are making a comeback

Couldent they have called this shit '8 tracks'

i dread the emails im about to receive about this....

meow.

i dunno guys i'm kinda down it might not be the worst but i still enjoy almost famous so maybe i'm a boomer crusty in waxidermy clothing

My name is Sierra Urich and I'm working on an upcoming HBO series directed by Martin Scorsese about the early 1970s rock and roll scene in New York. I wanted to reach out to you because I'm currently doing research for the art department (looking for design reference, historical info, and ephemera from the time) when I stubbled across your impressive website, http://www.rockscenester.com/ and http://www.star1973.com/. These are the exact kinds of primary sources I've been searching for. I'd love to print out some of your scans to add to my research binders, and am wondering if first, you wouldn't mind me doing so, and second if there's some way you could share the files with me so that I can print in full? Please let me know if your collection is something you'd be willing to share in this way. It's an amazing resource and I would love to show our production designer some of your archived material.

Best,
Sierra Urich

ROCK AND ROLL
Broken Records Productions, LLC
Steiner Studios
25 Washington Ave, Ste 4100
Brooklyn, NY 11205
o. 917.671.4607

* * * * *

When I proposed that downloadable, higher resolution PDF's for use in a commercial production had a modest dollar value, suddenly such "primary source" material apparently wasn't in the budget. Of HBO. Or Mick Jagger and Martin Scorsese. I love when multi-million dollar enterprises want you to "share".

it's an amazing resource .... but not amazing enough to compensate you.

omg that font at the end LOLOL

Sierra is probably a PA or intern in the art department at most. The credited production designer is Bob Shaw who worked on Wolf of Wall Street, Sopranos, etc. Production designers don't do the nitty gritty research for shit like this - there's teams of people working on various things. There's also about 100 steps/degrees between what Sierra is doing (attempting to procure primary source material) and what the production designer, art director, set decorator, leadman, set dresser etc actually do in terms of getting items on screen/paid. I'm guessing she has little to no control over actually spending money.

Also I totally understand Ryan's point but there is generally very little money these days to spend on the research portion of any project (regardless of scope/budget) beyond manpower. They're not asking to use it on camera (which is a whole other discussion)

Something for the resume, eh?

Out of curiosity, when did people start using "Vinyl", instead of Records? Was it when CDs came along? It seems like it's only recently that normal people started calling it Vinyl or Vinyls. Nobody in the 70's called it Vinyl, did they?

You are still calling them CDs? Dude, they are "polycarbonate"

I seem to recall vinyl emerging maybe 4 or 5 years ago, as another way to refer to records. But in the last year or 2 it's totally taken over. Now saying records draws blank looks. Vinyl Store Day 2016.

I heard people calling them 'vinyls' at least 10-12 years ago, but mostly Euromen.

But yeah, calling this show 'vinyl' is basically pandering.

Douglas,

A couple things,

Please don't refer to an adult female person over the age of 18 as "girl" - it's pretty fucked up.

It's cool you know how an art department works - maybe some people here don't so I wanted to clarify the basic hierarchy for anyone who may have thought the person who emailed Ryan had some degree of authority or spending power (when they most likely don't). You cited the researcher's recent school graduation (and therefore implied age) as a reason why this show would probably not be good - I'm still not sure how the age of the person doing research for a movie has any kind of proven correlation to their work - maybe there are in fact other people working very closely in consulting with people "who were there" to get an appropriate look for the thing, maybe they're not and are going to totally fuck it up - who knows - but the age of one of the presumably multiple low-level people doing internet research on the era shouldn't really have any bearing on, well, anything?

Like I said, I am totally sympathetic to Ryan's point and I know there have been other productions/projects that have attempted to "utilize" his archives/expertise in different ways and seems like they are always suddenly underfunded for said utilization - again, I just wanted to explain to people who maybe aren't in production or art department the reality that even if a production has a huge budget for XYZ art shit they maybe don't have (much or any) money to spend on research materials per se because they need to spend it on set construction or model making or anything else.

I actually know people who are working on this series. I was under the impression it was called "Rock and Roll", or something like that. Its really been a low rumbling here as a few young (ish) indie rockers were cast as members of "The Band". I think its set up one of my friends pretty well though. Good for him, I say.
Pretty sure they filmed one of the club scenes at the old Josephs furniture store on Manhattan Ave a couple weeks ago, as I kept riding my bike by each day to find the door wide open as their giant outboard air conditioning units pumped the place full of cold air. It sure looked like a rock club in there.

look, all i know is that regardless of how your stupid ass mick jagger budget is laid out if you can't offer a dude a fucking bone for some actual important research and you are HBO who is allegedly good at making tv shows you are doing it wrong. god forbid mick and marty and whoever else at the top get their dick sucked one less time per month to free up some cash flow.

at my old job we sold like 2k CDs of the most unsellable bullshit at a dollar a pop to some drew barrymore / apple ad guy movie for backdrop in like one scene. you can find $500 dollars pretty much fucking anywhere in a budget this size. take it out of the fake coke budget.

OOF.

Douglas and Fleeber, chill out. You've both forgotten what you're mad at and are just trying to be angry to feel alive. Everything sucks.

The metaness of a fake record storefront over a real record storefront that in reality is also just a fake record store is at least something to tickle the synapses. For that I am grateful. If I had any Stones LPs I'd throw them out the window.

I think "vinyl" in the non-euroman usage is newer - from "Oh yeah I have that on vinyl"

Sorry, I can't think of a single reason why they should pay for these images at all. They would just use them to get real examples of how people looked/dressed back then. Believe it or not, the internet probably has literally millions of images that would serve the same purpose for free. She was nice enough to ask permission to download the images when she could have just done it anyway.

No offense to breakmyface, but I would have been pretty surprised if they had come across with money for this.

Really, this is some pretty pointless outrage. There's a gigantic difference between paying for something that is actually used in a shot and something that an assistant looks at on their computer to (maybe) get ideas. I'm sure they look at hundreds, if not thousands of images in the process, but yeah, drop $500 a pop, no prob. If you think modern productions like this still have significant coke/hooker budgets, you are stuck in a major time warp.

pretty sure that when I was in college in the mid-90s, the term 'vinyl' was occasionally tossed around, generalizing LPs/singles/ten-inches...

whole thread is garbage. false HBO outrage, Gripprofessor Fleeb sons Douglas, weekly iantenna rageface.

Scorsese's record collection shits all over your torched barfpile. D.E.L.E.T.E.

Haha you're right nobody at the top is getting paid, tv budgets are drying up and NYC unions are killing America forgive me I live in a time warp

My rageface is daily though

Yeah but the coke/hooker budget is now cronuts and uber.

Same here -- know a PA who's working on this. And almost 8 months ago, I spoke with a nervous set designer who sought "authentic old blues LPs" at a low price, but since that was obviously not an option, she settled on about 500-600 kittylittered Billy Joel and Broadway recs at a bulk rate. She told me that they were for a scene in which tons of albums would be sent to a city dump; she would have to commission someone to create Photoshopped phony blues covers for 'em. And, yes, the project was initially introduced to me as Rock & Roll.

I think the related walk-ins, phone calls and e-mails will spike for a moment, but I deal with so many of these already that I won't notice the diff. And there'll probably be some surprises in there, anyway. Recently had someone bring in a WCPAEB LP in a stack of destroyed '70s disco commons. Still happens.

Yeah: "Vinyls" has, in my experience, been a Euro deal since I was a kid in the '90s.

Yeah that's a super accurate summation of my post. You should write a Waxidermy For Dummies book.

I don't know how anyone could be more upset about this than the preponderance of dipshit "vinyls are back" articles and 6000-gram reissues and etc. It's a drop in the bucket. It'll get another dozen people in shops, including dumbass whitesneaker babyboom rockers looking to reclaim failed youth. Nothing will explode. Maybe two more people out of every ten prospective sellers will say, "Hey, but records are back!" when you reject their blown-out Beatles LPs. Wonder if Hot Topic part-timers sighed collectively when Twilight hit it big.

This is also the series that commandeered Williamsburg's Rough Trade and built a Sam Goody facade on the outside, presumably for an establishing shot. Seems unnecessary when there are still dusty hotdogrocker LP mausoleums littering parts of the West Village. But I s'pose if those places are asking for a fee relative to what they charge for recs, building a "vintage" facade outside of a corporate rec store less than five years in age is probably cheaper.

Actually they were originally going to do this in my East Village store and it was a lot more involved than an establishing shot. They wanted to use the office, backroom, the whole store for a pretty involved scene.

And yeah they were willing to pay, so I would have been happy to suspend the obligatory outrage. They opted for RT instead and no, it was not cheap. I was disappointed of course, but my store does not look anything like a 70's Sam Goody's, not sure what they were thinking.

Curious how much he was charging per hi res download?